it is about our birthright in Messiah
08-31-2007, 09:46 PM
I suppose that while fringe movements do have associations and connotations to them, we might be wrong to throw the baby out with the bath water. The closer to the root of the matter should get us closer to both the truth and proper acknowlegment of what that truth was called or labeled.
First things first, however. While the Judean portion of modern day Israel was the main theme of peoples, it does not meant to infur only Jewish people lived there. The opposite point of view is that Yeshua was from the Galilee, where the northern tribes had lived. He was indeed out of his native land living north of Judah. We see in Luke 2:36 that Anna was from the tribe of Asher. In John 1, Yeshua refers to Nathanael as an Israelite, not a Judean or a Jew. We know that Yeshua tells the twelve that they will one day judge the 12 tribes of Israel. We, obviously, know that the Levites were around. If we go back to their blessing (or curse if you will) in Genisis, Yakov tells both Levi adn Simeon that: (49:7) "Cursed be their anger, for it is fierce; And their wrath, for it is cruel. I will disperse them in Jacob, And scatter them in Israel." I reason that Simeon was scattered, still is, within the tribe of Judah, callng themselves "Jews" even as the modern day tribe of Levi does.
So we can see that at this point in history, Messiah's place in the timeline, the tribes were not lost, yet. Even in Mat. 4, Yeshua settles in the region of Zebulun and Naphtali. So the region had not lost its namesake even after Israel's northern Kingdom deportation.
The word Hebrew comes from the "Hebrew" word Ibray which was what and who Abraham was and from. They were from "across" the great river Eurphrates. When Abram crossed over, he was already known to be an Ibray, he was then completed in name by crossing over the Eurphrates, again. Yet, they already existed in the Persian region through the bloodline of Shem (Semetic) There is historical account of this bloodline that had ties to the children of Israel when they were annexed by the Persians and the Medes. In fact, this group of people held the Roman army at bay so that the Roman Empire never truly conquered that land. During this time, as well, some of these Semetic peoples that had Judah intermixed within them went north to the Northern Asia (Russian and into Eastern Europe) regions. They went through the "Caucus" Mountains. They became Caucasians.....interesting fact.
Less we digress. Hebrew or Hebraic is not truly root bound, as the original was Ibray. Gen. 14. We, likewise, cross over from our ancestory, our Babylons or Persia's and our Egypts, to come into the Right walking of Messiah and Torah. As such, we may start out as aliens, or sojourners, but if we continue to walk in Covenant, we come to be know as Israel. This is evident in Torah as YHVH tells us how to treat the alien and stranger, furthermore, the Mixed Multitude that came out of Egypt with the children of Israel did not remain mixed breeds or races, but were intergrated into the tribal system that had already been established. It is clearly a personal choice to be part of Israel or Hebrew, after YHVH calls us into or back to our roots. (By the way, this the definition of grace, but that is another subject.)
The idea of Hebraic Roots seems right. Abram was not first Israel or an Israelite, he was the father of Israel (grandfather to be more specific). He was first a Hebrew. Our roots must start somewhere, why not the beginning?
Moreover, we call ourselves Americans, yet we have savage monsters that rape, pillage, steal, lie, commit every sin under heaven and are from America and are Americans. Why should we allow a few bad apples be allowed to blemish the boundary markers of our faith? Yes, Hebraic Roots seems to fit. It gets people's attention. They don't know what to do with it. The can't just immediately say we are placing them under the law. That type of law comes from the Jewish faith, that in all honesty has reflections of Hebraic leanings but is a religion all to itself. Hebraic Roots takes us to an antiquity of our ancestory and our heretage that we are trying to learn about. After all, YHVH tells the children of Israel and us in Torah that He does not keep His Covenant with us because of us or what we have done. No, He keeps it because of the Covenant made with Abraham, the Hebrew.
First things first, however. While the Judean portion of modern day Israel was the main theme of peoples, it does not meant to infur only Jewish people lived there. The opposite point of view is that Yeshua was from the Galilee, where the northern tribes had lived. He was indeed out of his native land living north of Judah. We see in Luke 2:36 that Anna was from the tribe of Asher. In John 1, Yeshua refers to Nathanael as an Israelite, not a Judean or a Jew. We know that Yeshua tells the twelve that they will one day judge the 12 tribes of Israel. We, obviously, know that the Levites were around. If we go back to their blessing (or curse if you will) in Genisis, Yakov tells both Levi adn Simeon that: (49:7) "Cursed be their anger, for it is fierce; And their wrath, for it is cruel. I will disperse them in Jacob, And scatter them in Israel." I reason that Simeon was scattered, still is, within the tribe of Judah, callng themselves "Jews" even as the modern day tribe of Levi does.
So we can see that at this point in history, Messiah's place in the timeline, the tribes were not lost, yet. Even in Mat. 4, Yeshua settles in the region of Zebulun and Naphtali. So the region had not lost its namesake even after Israel's northern Kingdom deportation.
The word Hebrew comes from the "Hebrew" word Ibray which was what and who Abraham was and from. They were from "across" the great river Eurphrates. When Abram crossed over, he was already known to be an Ibray, he was then completed in name by crossing over the Eurphrates, again. Yet, they already existed in the Persian region through the bloodline of Shem (Semetic) There is historical account of this bloodline that had ties to the children of Israel when they were annexed by the Persians and the Medes. In fact, this group of people held the Roman army at bay so that the Roman Empire never truly conquered that land. During this time, as well, some of these Semetic peoples that had Judah intermixed within them went north to the Northern Asia (Russian and into Eastern Europe) regions. They went through the "Caucus" Mountains. They became Caucasians.....interesting fact.
Less we digress. Hebrew or Hebraic is not truly root bound, as the original was Ibray. Gen. 14. We, likewise, cross over from our ancestory, our Babylons or Persia's and our Egypts, to come into the Right walking of Messiah and Torah. As such, we may start out as aliens, or sojourners, but if we continue to walk in Covenant, we come to be know as Israel. This is evident in Torah as YHVH tells us how to treat the alien and stranger, furthermore, the Mixed Multitude that came out of Egypt with the children of Israel did not remain mixed breeds or races, but were intergrated into the tribal system that had already been established. It is clearly a personal choice to be part of Israel or Hebrew, after YHVH calls us into or back to our roots. (By the way, this the definition of grace, but that is another subject.)
The idea of Hebraic Roots seems right. Abram was not first Israel or an Israelite, he was the father of Israel (grandfather to be more specific). He was first a Hebrew. Our roots must start somewhere, why not the beginning?
Moreover, we call ourselves Americans, yet we have savage monsters that rape, pillage, steal, lie, commit every sin under heaven and are from America and are Americans. Why should we allow a few bad apples be allowed to blemish the boundary markers of our faith? Yes, Hebraic Roots seems to fit. It gets people's attention. They don't know what to do with it. The can't just immediately say we are placing them under the law. That type of law comes from the Jewish faith, that in all honesty has reflections of Hebraic leanings but is a religion all to itself. Hebraic Roots takes us to an antiquity of our ancestory and our heretage that we are trying to learn about. After all, YHVH tells the children of Israel and us in Torah that He does not keep His Covenant with us because of us or what we have done. No, He keeps it because of the Covenant made with Abraham, the Hebrew.
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