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| is "dancing in the spirit" a scriptural concept? | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 25 2007, 08:05 PM (473 Views) | |
| HelenaZF | Oct 25 2007, 08:05 PM Post #1 |
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We've heard people say, "oh, she was dancing 'in the spirit', wasn't that amazing?" Usually that means that someone is moving around the room in some kind of rapture with their eyes closed. Sometime it is identified as someone engaging in involuntary movements disconnected from any intention of the dancer. Some have referred to it as "dancing with the angels". Or perhaps you have another definition of "dancing in the spirit"? The question is: Does it have a scriptural basis? And if so, where is it spoken about in the scriptures? Is it the same as "dancing before the Lord"? And if not, what is the difference? |
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| Dave | Oct 26 2007, 10:18 AM Post #2 |
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(Warning: long and a bit of a rant!) My view has always been that "dancing in the spirit" is a man-made term and is not biblical. As far as I am aware, its origins are in the Pentecostal movement and I don't think it is in widespread use outside of these circles. The only biblical basis that I'm aware of is 1 Corinthians 14:15, which says (quoting two different translations): "So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind" (NIV) "What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also" (KJV) The tenuous implication is that if you can pray and sing in the spirit, then you can dance in the spirit as well, and this is somehow different from (maybe even the opposite of) dancing with the mind or understanding. However, I don't think I've ever read or heard this derivation from any advocate of the phrase. A very brief study on this passage and subject suggests the following:
This is probably the official position of their denomination, and is the closest you'll find to a formal definition. I'm afraid that I have major problems with it. It strikes me as being the typical human response where the practices of one particular group are regarded by them as being the only correct way of doing things. I fail to see how it can be supported from the Bible. It's the "either/or" approach rather than "both/and". One can also read elements of replacement theology into it. Here are my concerns:
Here's another quote, this time from Todd Farley, a respected movement artist:
I'm sure the term "dancing in the spirit" was coined by someone with no dance background or training. Is it really appropriate for definitions to be created by people without expertise in the subject? My own dance ministry is probably divided 50/50 between improvised (a term most dancers prefer to spontaneous or free dance) and choreographed dance. So I have absolutely nothing against non-choreographed dance. And, based on 20+ years experience, I can say categorically that both styles can be used to minister to the Lord and to a congregation, and it is wrong to claim superiority for one over the other. To conclude, I personally feel that this is an extremely unhelpful phrase that causes a lot of problems because of the connotations it carries. I don't like it and I don't think I've ever used it. The use of the term implicitly (and explicitly, as seen in the AoG quote) denigrates choreographed dance as not being "in the spirit". This causes huge offence to many. The sooner it falls out of use, the better. |
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| HelenaZF | Oct 30 2007, 07:12 PM Post #3 |
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I hope the reason there haven't been a string of responses to this topic is because everyone is trying to digest all of what Dave has said in his post, because he makes point after valid point. I would also say that "dancing in the spirit" is not a scriptural term. And as a descriptor, paints a very narrow picture. I would hope that whenever I dance before the Lord or before a congregation that I am truly dancing "in the Spirit", that is, that I am moving in the unction of the Holy Spirit. Whether it be spontaneous or choreographed. There is another odd practice in the pentecostal movement in churches that forbids choreographed dance. It is called "living videos". Apparently, it is alright to interpret a song with dance movement as long as you are lip syncing the words at the same time. Mouth not moving? Sorry, you can't dance. I'm not sure why mouthing the words makes the dance acceptable....maybe someone can enlighten me. But from a communication standpoint, it is like speaking at your audience in two languages at once. Also, the dancer's most powerful communication device is his/her face. If the face is busy lip-syncing, the ability to communicate by facial expressions has been silenced. |
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| Dave | Oct 31 2007, 06:44 PM Post #4 |
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And I thought there were no responses because I was talking rubbish
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