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Greetings from the United Kingdom!
Topic Started: Jul 19 2007, 04:55 AM (683 Views)
daysofelijah	Jul 19 2007, 04:55 AM Post #1
Feeb Posts: 8 Group: Friends Member #633 Joined: July 19, 2007	HI, I live in the South of England and have been 'born again' for the last 15 years. I am 31 now. I attend a fellowship with about 200 other like minded people who love the word of God. We have recently come into the revelation of the Jewish roots of the Christian faith and I found this website through Google whilst looking for a shofar. I have found a site tonight called www.shofars.org does anyone know them? I am not really sure if this site is attached to a particular denomination? but if you love the LORD and his Word it's definitely somewhere I can feel at home. Blessings DOE



HelenaZF	Jul 19 2007, 06:12 PM Post #2
"more is more" Posts: 2,123 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: January 31, 2006 Country USA	Welcome to ZFFriends! I love how internationional we are. You'll find other delightful Brits in our member list as well. We'd all love to know a bit about you. I hope you enjoy the forums and will consider adding your own contributions as you are comfortable.
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DeanZF	Jul 20 2007, 03:28 PM Post #3
Resident Rebbi Posts: 602 Group: Admin1 Member #2 Joined: February 1, 2006	I echo HelenaZF's response to you. Tell us a bit about yourself. What areas of worship interest you, a little about your testimony perhaps, how long a believer, what sort of church family you find yourself in at the moment, etc. Welcome and we hope that you'll be an active member of our little community!
	Blessings! Dean DeanZF


daysofelijah	Jul 20 2007, 05:44 PM Post #4
Feeb Posts: 8 Group: Friends Member #633 Joined: July 19, 2007	daysofelijah Jul 19 2007, 03:55 AM HI, I live in the South of England and have been 'born again' for the last 15 years. I am 31 now. I attend a fellowship with about 200 other like minded people who love the word of God. We have recently come into the revelation of the Jewish roots of the Christian faith and I found this website through Google whilst looking for a shofar. I have found a site tonight called www.shofars.org does anyone know them? I am not really sure if this site is attached to a particular denomination? but if you love the LORD and his Word it's definitely somewhere I can feel at home. Blessings DOE HI, I live in the South of England and have been 'born again' for the last 15 years. I am 31 now. I attend a fellowship with about 200 other like minded people who love the word of God. We have recently come into the revelation of the Jewish roots of the Christian faith and I found this website through Google whilst looking for a shofar. I have found a site tonight called www.shofars.org does anyone know them? I am not really sure if this site is attached to a particular denomination? but if you love the LORD and his Word it's definitely somewhere I can feel at home. Blessings DOE



HelenaZF	Jul 20 2007, 06:17 PM Post #5
"more is more" Posts: 2,123 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: January 31, 2006 Country USA	The whole subject of our Jewish roots is at the basis of ZionFire's ministry calling, so we rejoice that the Lord has brought you into that revelation. It's one of the things we love to discuss here. This site is not sponsored or attached to any particular denomination, but is an outreach, resource and sounding board for those involved in christian arts ministries and worship. Our foundation here on ZFF is the Word of God (all of it), and no particular denominational doctrine. Dean is our resident shofar expert and I'm sure he will have something to say to you about shofars.org. Personally, Dean and I are members of the International Communion of the Charismatic Episcopal Church--a denomination that espouses the melding of the three streams of the charismatic, the evangelical and the liturgical.
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DeanZF	Jul 20 2007, 06:51 PM Post #6
Resident Rebbi Posts: 602 Group: Admin1 Member #2 Joined: February 1, 2006	daysofelijah I have found a site tonight called www.shofars.org does anyone know them? [/color] I am VERY familiar with that site and the man who runs it. I would trust Dominick without question. He is a man of integrity and honor, one who seeks to please new or seasoned shofarists, and one who seeks to honor our Lord in all he does. daysofelijah I am not really sure if this site is attached to a particular denomination? but if you love the LORD and his Word it's definitely somewhere I can feel at home. [/color] No, we're not attached to a denomination as a site or as an organization. We as individuals are indeed part of a local parish that is part of a denomination, however. We are active in the church and in denominational events when called upon. We feel called, as Helena mentioned, to help that denomination and others learn about the Jewishness of their Messiah. We are not Messianic Jews (MJ). We are not affiliated with any of the MJ-ish movements, but have many friends and fellow ministers in several of those movements and love them all. We've actually been involved in several MJ events around the country. Something else of importance: If you'll take a look through this site, you'll find an answer to a fellow Brit about what to look for in a shofar so that you can communicate what you're looking for to Dominick. He's such a great guy. He'll find you a horn and then, if you'll call him, he'll play it for you so that you can hear what your horn can sound like when a pro plays it! That will also help you have a good aiming point for your own playing. So many folks buy the horns without really having a good concept of what they should sound like. Hope that helps
	Blessings! Dean DeanZF


daysofelijah	Jul 21 2007, 03:33 AM Post #7
Feeb Posts: 8 Group: Friends Member #633 Joined: July 19, 2007	Thank you both for the warm welcome and thank you Dean for the info on shofars. While on the Shofars.org site I saw a link to a Hebrew Roots Bible but when I looked it up on the web it has very mixed reveiws (some good and some accusative) do you have any thoughts on it? I am really looking for study tools that will help me understand the Hebraic Roots.



DeanZF	Jul 21 2007, 01:41 PM Post #8
Resident Rebbi Posts: 602 Group: Admin1 Member #2 Joined: February 1, 2006	There's a wonderful little proverb that Jews and Israelis tell on themselves that whenever you have 10 Jews gathered together, you'll have at least 20 opinions. A slight exaggerations, of course, but because there is currently a surge in information on "Jewish Roots", you're going to have a lot a lot a lot of opinions and conclusions drawn. As with any Bible study, you're going to have to use your God-given discernment to separate the wheat from the chaff. This is a VERY difficult subject to address with integrity and one that I'm frankly poorly equipped on. I've not been reading the rash of books and theses written in the last 6-10 years because so much of it seems to be aimed at pet theories with some small basis on a couple of twists of scripture. Not to say that one or more of those theories might not prove to be correct, but it's kind of like the various views of the rapture, when it's coming and who is going. Both tend to be divisive and emotional. I learned my lesson on the rapture wars. God's going to handle it as He sees fit. I try to live today as though it's coming tonight and plan for tomorrow as though it won't be in my life time, and I don't lose a minute of sleep about it. It's in HIS hands, not mine, or I'd have been in His presence a long time ago! I am not familiar with Dr. Trimm's work on the Hebraic Roots Version Bible. From what I can see on the Internet, there are some strong suspicions about the man, and they come from a variety of sources and are not simply cross-quoting each other. Most of the positive comments about him are found as quotes on websites that seem to have a direct relationship to Dr. Trimm. Again, I have no personal experience with either the man or his written works. No recommendations, but I would advise caution and high levels of discernment while reading, if you go that way. I know a little bit about where Dominick Zangla is theologically, but would not presume to go there. He loves the Lord; that's enough. I think that he chooses to be Torah observant. I have no trouble with that. If he chooses not to be observant, I would have no trouble with that either. That's his conviction, not mine to deal with. There is what I have found to be a pretty reasonable translation of the entire Bible with an eye toward things Hebraic: David Stern's The Complete Jewish Bible. I know that it is often the recommended version for use in Messianic congregations. I've not found the sort of turmoil and mistrust surrounding him that I have with others. This version is sold as a true translation, but it keeps the "Jewish flavor" that has normally been washed out of English translations starting with the KJV. I find that it's not a particularly easy to read translation, however. Dr. Stern often includes both English and Hebrew transliterations of the same word in a sentence. So, you'll read "Therefore Adonai, God, sent Adam out of the garden..." That's not a big deal, but when you start reading say the Acts where there are lots of names, you get both English and hebrew of each name, each time they're used. He uses a lot of Hebrew terms (transliterations all) sometimes but not always along with the English translations. It's good to get the feel of the terms and the larger meanings involved, but it can make for less than flowing reading. Not unlike trying to use the Amplified Bible as your devotional book. Great for study, but tough sledding for simple reading and gulping down portions of the Word. Here's Luke 20:27-28a: "Some Tz'dukim, who say there is no resurrection, came to Yeshua and put to him a sh'ellah..." And no footnote at the bottom of each page to let you know what Tz'dukim, orsh'ellah mean. Yes, you'll eventually get used to that, especially if you take Hebrew classes. Nearly every Messianic teacher has an axe to grind or an agenda to promote. That makes it very difficult to simply deal with the basics of our Jewish roots. If you want to delve a little deeper, let's start a separate thread and establish some rules about what we will and won't do. The biggest one would be that it would probably be monitored for content and that taking sides over the issues wouldn't be condoned.
	Blessings! Dean DeanZF


DeanZF	Jul 21 2007, 02:11 PM Post #9
Resident Rebbi Posts: 602 Group: Admin1 Member #2 Joined: February 1, 2006	By the way, the direct link to the discussion on shofars and their purchase (what to look for and why) can be found by CLICKING HERE. And as always, questions are always welcome!
	Blessings! Dean DeanZF


daysofelijah	Jul 21 2007, 03:13 PM Post #10
Feeb Posts: 8 Group: Friends Member #633 Joined: July 19, 2007	Thanks Dean. Until I came into the revelation of my Jewish roots I considered that I had a very strong knowledge of the Word of God (KJV) and have always used study aids like the Strongs, Youngs and Vines to help with Greek and Hebrew. Now I have received the revelation of the Jewish roots to my faith I am sort of wondering where I have been all these years :-) . The Word of God has completely become alive to me in a way that I didn't expect (for example now I have got rid of replacement theology I can understand the prophetic books such as Daniel, Hosea, Revelation because I can see them in context). I do not feel the need to discuss controversial issues but would be grateful for any study advice (suggested resources etc) from people who are more advanced in their understanding of the Jewish / Hebraic Roots than me. I really appreciate your advice and time - you have been extremely helpful and your sincerity and love for the LORD is very evident - Thank you! [Goes off to look at the Shofar article link]



daysofelijah	Jul 21 2007, 03:49 PM Post #11
Feeb Posts: 8 Group: Friends Member #633 Joined: July 19, 2007	Okay one more question if you don't mind - I want my shofar for use (primarily) in spiritual warefare and I kind of feel drawn to a Rams horn rather than Kudu (although I think the Kudu look prettier). Would this make sense or are both suited well to this sort of use? BTW I am really enjoying the forum !



DeanZF	Jul 21 2007, 06:29 PM Post #12
Resident Rebbi Posts: 602 Group: Admin1 Member #2 Joined: February 1, 2006	If you're drawn to the ram's horn instead of one of the others possible (kudu being only one), by all means take that into consideration. Understand that you will not get much in the way of pitch differentiation with all but the very largest rams' horns, however. The smaller Yemenites will sound 2, 3, 4, or sometimes five different pitches, making the scooping, "booWAAAAAAH" sound at the fourth or fifth interval, and usually having at least one higher pitch available for the little "fweep" skirl on the end of the call. Most rams' horns get only one good, solid pitch. That means the scoop and the skirl (boo-, and fweep) are not going to be pitch differentiated, or at least not by much, by most players. Brass players can "bend" a pitch with their lips and can likewise bend it on a shofar, but it's harder to do. If you listen to the calls available on the Internet, most of them are recorded using a smallish ram's horn. I'm going to try and figure out a way to pull just the shofar call off a recording that I was part of and see where I can post it. Or maybe FlagLady could help with that? Is that possible, FL?? There is certainly nothing wrong with the sound of even the smallest of rams' horns. Each is unique and if you get something that energizes your spirit in the way of warfare, and if that's what you feel the Lord calling you to, go for it! Those are not that expensive and you might end up with more than one horn after not too long a time. Very glad that you're enjoying the forum. We're glad you found us!
	Blessings! Dean DeanZF


Dave	Jul 28 2007, 11:26 AM Post #13
Fellow Posts: 97 Group: Friends Member #46 Joined: June 4, 2006	Hi Doe, I'm one of the other Brits that Dean referred to. I haven't been around for a while, mainly due to family illnesses, but I'm going to try to check in a bit more frequently. I'm thrilled to hear of your interest in all things Jewish and would echo everything Dean said (he's a wise guy). I hope you feel able to stick around. Although the focus of this forum is mainly on the creative arts, there's a strong Hebrew theme to much of what you'll find here. I do a lot of Israeli and Messianic dancing, for example. I'll try to put some comments together on the stuff you've mentioned, and will also do a list of useful books. Best wishes, Dave



daysofelijah	Aug 12 2007, 05:19 PM Post #14
Feeb Posts: 8 Group: Friends Member #633 Joined: July 19, 2007	Thank you all for your 'welcomes'. Dean - I purchased a very large Rams Horn from Dominick Zanglar and I am exceptionally pleased with it, so please add mine to the good reports you have heard of him :-) Thank you for your kind help! Dave - Thank you for your help - do you have a website relating to your dance workshops? Blessings DOE



Dave	Aug 13 2007, 07:21 AM Post #15
Fellow Posts: 97 Group: Friends Member #46 Joined: June 4, 2006	daysofelijah Aug 12 2007, 04:19 PM Dave - Thank you for your help - do you have a website relating to your dance workshops? I don't have a website at the moment, I'm afraid. Is there any information that you'd like to know? Would you be interested in having a workshop?



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